Curse

ajc2123 · Mar 11, 2010, 04:08 AM // 04:08

I am pretty sure with the aftercast added, quick shot is more underpowered than it used to be.

Instead of making more elites useless, lets do the opposite.

Ok so, instead of giving a complete idea of how to buff this skill, I would like everyone to put in their ideas.

Goals. In no order
1) Name somewhat matches the function
2) Useful, but not overpowered
3) useful in both PvE and PvP without a split preferred.

Alright so...I am thinking quick shot...speed of arrows, increased attack speed (while wielding a bow), attack skill recharge/cast speed? It could be changed to stance or preperation, since quick shot could be a 'title' to someone.

Maybe make an elite version of read the wind? Move it to expertise?

5e 1c 15r
for 0...24 seconds, your arrows move 2x faster, do +0...11 damage, and you attack 0...16% faster.

This isn't a complete idea keep in mind, I am trying to open the floor for changes.

Ideas?

IronSheik · Mar 11, 2010, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Id hate to have another crippling elite but.

Quick shot 1c/1r
Bow attack. this arrow flies twice as fast and if target foe was moving foe is crippled for 5s

Or, 1/2c, 1r
This arrow moves twice as fast and inflicts +1...12..15 damage, This attack can not be blocked

I doubt they'll change around elites.

But
Signet of Suffering 1c/20r
Target foe takes 10...50 damage If target foe is suffering from a necromancer hex, All nearby foes take 5...20 damage and this signet recharges instantly/twice as fast?

dunno, throwing it out there, could see abuse in large necro teams

BlueXIV · Mar 11, 2010, 07:49 AM // 07:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronSheik

Or, 1/2c, 1r
This arrow moves twice as fast and inflicts +1...12..15 damage, This attack can not be blocked

Wooooooooooo Rspike

athariel · Mar 11, 2010, 08:35 AM // 08:35

I'm sorry to interject but you don't need every elite to be equally viable

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Second_Wind some elites have to be completely crap and that's fine

Luminarus · Mar 11, 2010, 12:40 PM // 12:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronSheik

Id hate to have another crippling elite but.

Quick shot 1c/1r
Bow attack. this arrow flies twice as fast and if target foe was moving foe is crippled for 5s

Or, 1/2c, 1r
This arrow moves twice as fast and inflicts +1...12..15 damage, This attack can not be blocked

I doubt they'll change around elites.

But
Signet of Suffering 1c/20r
Target foe takes 10...50 damage If target foe is suffering from a necromancer hex, All nearby foes take 5...20 damage and this signet recharges instantly/twice as fast?

dunno, throwing it out there, could see abuse in large necro teams

The first one is too much better then crip-shot... Its like a spammable version of melandrus pre buff, with faster cast.

The second is either too much damage or too little.

Tbh, I was kinda interested by the 'fake' buff that was leaked iirc about a year ago. You dont stop moving whilst using quick shot... that would make it an interesting skill coz you could kite and attack. Also really great at spreading poison. Might need a 2 or 3 sec recharge though.

Archress Shayleigh · Mar 11, 2010, 12:47 PM // 12:47

Quick Shot. 5e, 1/2c, 5r.
Bow attack. This arrow moves 2 times as fast, does +4..7..10 damage, and is unblockable if target foe is not under the effects of a stance. (Attrib: Marks / Expertise)

ajc2123 · Mar 11, 2010, 01:04 PM // 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by athariel

I'm sorry to interject but you don't need every elite to be equally viable

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Second_Wind some elites have to be completely crap and that's fine

You are very true, they do not.

But before the nerf, this skill used to be at least kind of fun in a niche kind of build, but they MADE it useless needlessly. That's why I am focusing on this elite.

jazilla · Mar 11, 2010, 05:52 PM // 17:52

It's the same with Marksman's Wager. Useless.

Lithril Ashwalker · Mar 11, 2010, 06:46 PM // 18:46

blinding surge
15 ENERGY
casting time = 2 sec
recharge = 12 seconds
blind duration = max is 6 seconds

this skill is way overpowered and spammable
if in ra and you have no condition removal in you team just resign.

Del · Mar 11, 2010, 06:52 PM // 18:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajc2123

but they MADE it useless needlessly. That's why I am focusing on this elite.

they made it useless because with no other options, people would just create an r-spike with it.

Lithril Ashwalker · Mar 11, 2010, 09:24 PM // 21:24

tbh if you auto attacking first...auto attack wait for the arrow to hit taret then hit quickshot then ato attack again the aftercast doesnt take effect

Tenebrae · Mar 11, 2010, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Instead of adding bonus dmg it should focus on the "quick" part , something like an stance :
Quick Shot [E] 5en 12 reuse:
For 3.....10 .... 12 secs you attack 25% faster and your arrows move twice as fast.
Its an IAS ( lower than Exp dexter ) and focus on arrow speed. Also is a stance so you can use a prep to enhance damage. Not so good but not at least is not as bad as it is now.

Axel Zinfandel · Mar 11, 2010, 09:54 PM // 21:54

I like quickshot's functionality as it is, as the aftercast actually allows it to be used over and over again without having to rotate it with anything else.... but it does need a bit of a buff. Though, why bother with PvE+PvP? Just split the damn skill. keep it functionally the same in PvP, and for PvE:

(PvE) 5en 1ct 1rc (Marksmanship)
You shoot an arrow that moves twice as fast and deals +1...12...15 damage

Or, dare I suggest...

5en 1/2ct
You shoot an arrow that moves twice as fast. Your other attack skills are disabled for 5 seconds

Yes, I suggested it lol. Take away it's recharge, balance it by disabling all other attack skills. With aftercast, you should be able to use it every second (bow skills activate at half the designated CT, so 1/4 second plus 3/4s aftercast). Perhaps split that for PvE too, but it essentially ensures that it's your only attack skill.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luminarus

Tbh, I was kinda interested by the 'fake' buff that was leaked iirc about a year ago. You dont stop moving whilst using quick shot... that would make it an interesting skill coz you could kite and attack. Also really great at spreading poison. Might need a 2 or 3 sec recharge though.

Link? Post? I'm interested.

To Chicken To Die · Mar 12, 2010, 12:05 AM // 00:05

Just thinking out of the box here...

Quick Shot.
All stances are removed. You shoot 3 arrows in a row with 1/3 sec interval. Dealing 33% less dmg

Now thats quick and removed stance against OP?

ajc2123 · Mar 12, 2010, 03:31 AM // 03:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by To Chicken To Die

Just thinking out of the box here...

Quick Shot.
All stances are removed. You shoot 3 arrows in a row with 1/3 sec interval. Dealing 33% less dmg

Now thats quick and removed stance against OP?

wait so...it removes the opponents stance?

You don't need plural for stances since you can only be under 1 at a time ^_^. I'm not sure how well this would be received. If still a 1 sec recharge, it will be nice for RA monks that go /w

Skye Marin · Mar 12, 2010, 04:18 AM // 04:18

Quick Shot:

5/1/2

You fire an arrow that travels twice as fast, and deals +10..20 damage. Your damage is doubled against moving foes.

Morphy · Mar 12, 2010, 02:33 PM // 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajc2123

I am pretty sure with the aftercast added, quick shot is more underpowered than it used to be.

Instead of making more elites useless, lets do the opposite.

Ok so, instead of giving a complete idea of how to buff this skill, I would like everyone to put in their ideas.

Goals. In no order
1) Name somewhat matches the function
2) Useful, but not overpowered
3) useful in both PvE and PvP without a split preferred.

Alright so...I am thinking quick shot...speed of arrows, increased attack speed (while wielding a bow), attack skill recharge/cast speed? It could be changed to stance or preperation, since quick shot could be a 'title' to someone.

Maybe make an elite version of read the wind? Move it to expertise?

5e 1c 15r
for 0...24 seconds, your arrows move 2x faster, do +0...11 damage, and you attack 0...16% faster.

This isn't a complete idea keep in mind, I am trying to open the floor for changes.

Ideas?

Horrible idea. RtW, Glass Arrows and Expert's Focus are broken skills: they're either completely useless or they fuel terrible gimmicks such as R-spike. RtW, Glass Arrows and Expert's Focus are all skills that do not add strategy or skillful play to the game: they make your (attack or attack skill) -> Savage Shot combo and that's all they do.

Preparations that inflict Poison or Bleeding add a layer of strategy to the game: you have to do something to spread the Condition while making sure you still properly perform your normal roles. This is an essential piece of playing a Ranger and a Preparation can only be forgiven for not inflicting Conditions if it adds a different layer of strategy to the game. As of yet, I haven't seen any Preparation that does such a thing.

This skill is easily fixed: Revert the downside on fast activation for this particular skill and make the arrow unblockable.

Yuna Matsumarui · Mar 12, 2010, 03:15 PM // 15:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morphy

This skill is easily fixed: Revert the downside on fast activation for this particular skill and make the arrow unblockable.

Called Shot - Bow Attack. Shoot an arrow that moves 3 times faster and cannot be blocked.
5E 3R

Quick Shot - Bow Attack. Shoot an arrow that moves 2 times faster and cannot be blocked.
5E 2R

yeah right.

Quote:

Del Said:
they made it useless because with no other options, people would just create an r-spike with it.

quoted for being true.

Quote:

Tenebrae Said:
Instead of adding bonus dmg it should focus on the "quick" part , something like an stance :
Quick Shot [E] 5en 12 reuse:
For 3.....10 .... 12 secs you attack 25% faster and your arrows move twice as fast.
Its an IAS ( lower than Exp dexter ) and focus on arrow speed. Also is a stance so you can use a prep to enhance damage. Not so good but not at least is not as bad as it is now.

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:R/W_BA_Turret

that would just create another Interrupting Turret, imo, people would just run that elite with another high dmg attack skill such as Maurader's Shot

Amy Awien · Mar 12, 2010, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuna Matsumarui

yeah right.

I think he meant for the skill to have a 1 sec activation but without the aftercast effect that was added recently - plus being unblockable.

Morphy · Mar 12, 2010, 04:32 PM // 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuna Matsumarui

Called Shot - Bow Attack. Shoot an arrow that moves 3 times faster and cannot be blocked.
5E 3R

Quick Shot - Bow Attack. Shoot an arrow that moves 2 times faster and cannot be blocked.
5E 2R

yeah right.

Are you really that stupid or did you ignore the fast activation on this skill for a particular reason?